Re: Have you seen THE PASSION OF THE JEW?

[christie]

Hmmmm ALICE, have to say I would never have taken you for a "South Park" fan

I know from the get go you were not happy with the "Passion of the Christ " movie hence why we even have this section Off Topic and for Fun. BUT in my opinon this thread was in poor taste. Remember I said my "in my opinion"

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[Emilysmom]

I went to the web site that was listed here, as well as a couple of other ones related to this movie. I saw absolutely nothing funny whatsoever. I saw blatant mockery of not only the MOVIE "The Passion of the Christ", but really.....mockery of Christ in general. NOT funny, not funny at all. In my opinion, there are some things that it can be funny to do a "spoof" on, and some stuff that is totally inappropriate. South Park's producers must not realize that.
Susan

[Ericsmomma]

Alice,

I'm not a South Park Fan either and I found The Passion of the Christ a very moving film. That just shows the diversity of this group...as long as we don't offend anyone. I'm really very conservative in my thinking (what a change from my wild 20's). Everyone has their own tastes, but South Park isn't one of mine.

Dolly

[christie]

Alice I am not deciding what you think is good or bad taste, obviously our tastes on humor differ greatly, which is fine. I am not and DID NOT say you were WRONG I just gave my "Opinion" in what I feel is Bad taste.
Maybe my wording was not the right wording in my first reply to you. I guess I should have just said "I don't find the link, you posted Humorous" in my Opinion.
If you enjoyed the humor, you are certainly allowed

NOPE you won't get any arguing out of me.

[Ericsmomma]

Alice,

Well, as a charasmatic Catholic, I found the movie to be very true to what I had been taught all my life.
Jesus is our Saviour, and suffered and died so we can have eternal life. He gave his life freely, a gift to anyone who asks. In reality, crucifixion is not a pretty site, so I feel the movie is realistic in this depiction.
I have to laugh when I hear some people decrying the
"violence' and brutality in the movie....Schindler's list also was extremely graphic and violent, but it told a true story. Without the truth, the movie would have been worthless....you cannot be "politically correct"
when describing atrocities against fellow human beings,
no matter who they are. It is what it is! And as for the
Passion being anti-semetic, I totally disagree. The movie shows Jewish people in the crowd, pharasee's, etc., but THATS WHO WAS THERE! 12 of his own best
friends were Jewish, as was He. And as for the crowd
demanding his death, they are only human beings,
reacting to circumstances...even his own apostles abandoned and denied him.
Jesus knew this. Heck, I'm Italian
and the "Romans" did the actual torture and killing...does that mean Italians are to blame?
What was moving to me was the way Jesus loved and forgave all, even as he hung dying...and I thought the symbolism in the movie was outstanding...the portrayal of evil as neither man nor woman, but as something so
subtle, so deceiving, almost beautiful, that can pursuade you to his way. And the tear drop falling to earth at Jesus's death was a perfect example of pure sacrifice. It was awesome...
Maybe you need to watch it again, without preconceived notions of it being a "religious" film.
To me its a film about perfect love and sacrifice, that is for all men. Dolly

[Ericsmomma]

Alice,

How sad that the only thing you got out of my post was about blame...totally missed the whole point...but hey, thats what you think, and I can't change that.
It doesn't make me feel any different towards you...to me your a Mom with a child who has down syndrome.
someone who is dealing with some of the same things I'm going thru, someone who offers advice when we need it and who vents when necessary...thats whats important.
Oh, your welcome!! Dolly

[Ericsmomma]

Alice,

I'm not at all upset with your post...nothing like a healthy dose of differing opinions to get your mind going...
From what I read about mel gibson he seems to be a very generous man, but very private about who he helps.
I think he is very courageous to have made this movie, knowing that not all people share his version of his faith..but thats what democracy is all about...freedom to express yourself and the freedom to disagree...
Even Michael Moore 's Farenheite9/11, which is offensive
and untrue to some of us, has the right to express his beliefs.
And it makes some lively topics for discussion...
love, Dolly

[Ericsmomma]

Hey Alice,

Maybe you and I could be the new "Siskel and Ebert"

LOL....what a job that would be...watch movies all day
and give our opinion...that I can do!! Dolly

[christie]

ALICE I am not upset with your post, as DOLLY said, we are ALL here at UNO for the same reason and even thou we may differ in somethings we still have LOTS in common

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[Connie]

Ok guys,

You had me worried there for a minute... But, I just want to compliment everyone on the way they are handling this thread.

Thanks!!!

Connie

[christie]

ALICE, this is asked in a very KIND way TRULY BUT since when is it mandatory for a Hollywood person to donate money when making tons off a flick??

I agree it would be nice if they did and if Mel Gibson did or didn't how do you know for sure??

Many make LOTS of money in many ways, just wondering WHY you feel Mel Gibson is the one to pick on other then you don't like his movie, which BTW you are entitled to not like the movie as I am entitled to not like making fun of it

We actually found it very moving

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[rickismom]

Well, I think that we at UNO MAS have improved with handling hot issues.
While I'm not in favor of Gibsons film (I suspect that he really missed the political reasons for everything that happened in the "passion" and I don't like Jews being portrayed in such an evil way- while a few have acted not nice, Gibson really went overboard by what I heard), I understand that many Christians get a lot from the movie. And I can understand that they don't like take-off on it. I agree that sometimes the "spoofing" around of society has gone overboard-- nothing is beyond spoofs today and that is sad.
I think that it all boils down to learning to see things from the perspective of others and not jumping to conclusions.
I was not born Jewish- I choose Judaism as a teen. (My parents are from a christian background but are not "believers". [ I know that this may make me really "d**ned" in the eyes of some of you, but bare with me. I am sharing this info for a reason.]
When I was in gradeschool (in Illinois), our high school put on a performance of Shakespeare's "merchant of Venice". Before we went to see it my mother (remember, we are talking of a non-Jeweish mom telling her -at that time -Christian daughter, in a 99.9% Christian town) sat me down. She explained the times and attitudes of Shakespeare's times, that his view of Jews was neither historical or true. How mant other kids in that audience that day got such a lecture? Probably none. Who knows how many of them today still think that a Jew would ask for a "pound of flesh"?
I would feel better if I knew that parents would explain before seeing the passion that the Romans were slaughtering Jews accused of revolt right and left, and that the the Rabbis were interested in keeping a low profile-- that they could not have saved JC and that Pontious Pilot was NOT the nice guy portayed, but a savage beast of a person. Just as when I see generalizations about anyone - I try to educate my kids to judge people by what they personally are.

[MB]

Alice,

If Mel Gibson is using his profits to benefit society, as a Catholic, he is called by the church to do it anonymously so that he can be rewarded with the Kingdom of Heaven rather than accepting recognition here on earth. At least that is my understanding.

MB

[christie]

MB

Exactly what I was thinking ;D THANKS


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[rickismom]

Actually,Alice, that is wrong. Abraham was the first Jew. But even to say that all people decended from Abraham are Jews is wrong. Do you consider Arafat a Jew? Only if ones maternal line all the way back was Jewish would you have a case. But anyway, I think that this is REALLY off the topic, anyway.