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Susan
Jun 12, 2006 8:40:44 GMT -5
Post by momofrussell on Jun 12, 2006 8:40:44 GMT -5
I didn't want to take up Allisa's thread about PT LOL. I know you and I have talked more then once about Emily's IEP and getting PT and such. And I asked you if on her IEP is there specific IEP PT goals... so... is there? LOL I know you said PT is a service on her IEP but are the specific PT goals on the IEP too?
I don't think it's a state to state thing.. I think you are getting LUCKY! and that's a GOOD thing! And, like you and I discussed, it's not that they won't WORK on things like what they work on with Emily or with Russell like throwing a ball, ect... it's just that "throwing a ball" can NOT be a goal on his IEP.
So.. that is the difference. "Technically" a PT should be working on IEP goals too... AND they can work on NON-IEP goals.. and if Emily qualifies for PT and they just work on NON-IEP goals.. I say THAT IS GREAT!!
Oh.. and how come your school doesn't have APE?
See... not to digress or change the subject.. but it bums me out when I read some schools don't offer APE for our kids.. I'd rather Russell have APE then JUST PT.. KWIM?
A.
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Susan
Jun 12, 2006 22:09:45 GMT -5
Post by CC on Jun 12, 2006 22:09:45 GMT -5
Hmmm A~ I know you posted to Susan BUT Hmmmm why do you say "it's just that "throwing a ball" can NOT be a goal on his IEP." Chris has had ball stuff on his IEP under the PT section many times. Like the one I can think of off hand is he will throw the tennis ball at the wall and catch the ball 9 out of 10 times rotating hands with which he catches. Not the exact wording as I don't have the IEP in front of me but YUP he has lots of goals in PT that have not a thing to due with academics. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean here?? CC
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Susan
Jun 12, 2006 22:17:34 GMT -5
Post by momofrussell on Jun 12, 2006 22:17:34 GMT -5
No.. that is what I meant. They say technically any goal on an IEP is suppose to be academic in nature or educationally based.. school related. They meaning, the IDEA Police LMAO! LOL So.. if throwing a ball has been on Chris' IEP.. that is GREAT! Because that doesn't happen for alot of kids. PT is always one of those tricky things when you get a district that actually abides by the "educationally based" goals thing. Then you have to get creative. Russell's PT goals are "safety" based... like being able to manage around school, stairs, ect... the other stuff like riding a trike, ball throwing, ect.. is NOT listed on his IEP nor has it ever. But they do work on it. And then Russell has APE also. A.
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Susan
Jun 14, 2006 7:46:59 GMT -5
Post by Emilysmom on Jun 14, 2006 7:46:59 GMT -5
Adrienne, I got out Emily's IEP that we just finished, as well as some older ones to see how the PT goals have been written:
On her present level of performance, gross motor is listed as an "exceptional" area, and it states that she has delayed gross motor skills, low muscle tone, and decreased endurance. On her IEP form, it states that ANY "exceptional" area must have goal sheets attached. She has an IEP goal sheet for the following areas: 1. Reading 2. Math 3. Language arts 4. Pre-vocational 5. Fine motor 6. Communication 7. GROSS MOTOR- The annual goal is "to enhance gross motor skill development". The personnel responsible for this are listed as "PTA, LPN, PT". She will receive two 20 minute PT sessions per week (and the swimming class, which is now technically referred to as recreational swimming). Her goals include "stair walking/running to improve endurance, trampoline jumping 100 reps, 25 jumping jacks, hopping on one foot 5 reps consistently, fast walking the halls or outside for 7 minutes without stopping with increasing arm swinging and trunk rotation, and riding a bike for 3-5 minutes consistently". The criteria for mastery is 80%. She will also receive 3 PT evals throughout the year.
Also, listed on the back page of her IEP under "related services", PT services and PT evals are listed.
Maybe you're right. Maybe we're "lucky". But this has been the way her IEP's have always been done. If our district is one of the ones who isn't "abiding by the educationally based" stuff.............it's OK by me. Our district has 3 schools that have adaptive PE. Emily has never attended one of those schools, and that's been our choice. She gets these PT services and she does regular PE. I guess I wrongly assumed that this is something that differs from state to state because our experience has been very different than what I've seen posted in the past.
Also, her fine motor goals do not really seem to be "educationally based" either. She works on carrying a therapy ball over her head (as well as hula hoops, etc) to improve her shoulder girdle strength, finds objects in theapy putty, hits a ball with a tennis racket, and other functional upper extremity tasks. All of these are designed to improve her fine motor abilities, but not sure if they are educationally based either. They are, however, designed to help her succeed in the world and to get out of high school and do what she needs to do. Isn't that what we send all our kids to school to accomplish? (I hope that didn't sound sarcastic........I just would have a hard time if the school tried to insist that her goals are not educational. Glad they haven't tried that so far!)
Susan
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Susan
Jun 14, 2006 12:20:50 GMT -5
Post by momofrussell on Jun 14, 2006 12:20:50 GMT -5
Well, I agree actaually. And thinking back.. I think in IL they had "kicking a ball" as a goal in EC.. now I don't know if it changes after EC or what. I am THRILLED actually you have goals like you stated.. and like CC mentioned. I do ask for stuff like that and I just get the "we can work on it but it can't be a goal" mantra. Fine.. whatever... LOL
I attempted to go to a workshop today.. so I can fulfill some pre certification requirements for advocacy and I was going to ask about this... and I think I will keep it in my notes in my head because I would like to clarify just for myself, KWIM?
A.
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