Not DS... BUT OMG...

[CC]

I know lots of you here like Palin BUT come on OMG she said recently

"And who will suffer the most when they ration care?" she wrote. "The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."

Give me a break, having one saying they are an advocate for our kids that doesn't have a clue what they are talking about just saddens me

Obama DOES NOT have a death panel and if she had a clue she would know that already health insurance companies are not always for our kids with DS I can give example after example with my son alone

Honestly I am in no way trying to get anyone to not like Palin but she needs to get her facts straight

CC ~

[Ericsmomma]

CC,
I gotta kindly disagree...I think she does have her facts... even tho she is a little dramatic. (thats politics...remember all the liberals saying 9-11 was orchestrated by the Bush administration so we can go to war with Iraq to get the oil). why do you think people are going crazy at all these town hall meetings? Socialized medicine NEVER works! I agree we need some help, but I don't think we should pass a bill before our lawmakers read it. Makes no sense to me...whats the hurry? Maybe others have some good ideas, why not listen. I think people are tired of things being crammed down our throats. Some in Washington forget that they work for us...not us working for them. And when they try to paint people who disagree as "unpatriotic"...well, it gets me a little angry. Both sides should be able to express their ideas without being labeled. And conservatives are guilty of this too. Politics has gotten ugly, and the only ones that suffer are the people!

[CC]

Hey Dolly she may have some facts straight but what I quoted her saying is nothing but a lie and NOT a FACT. I repeat, Obama does not have a death panel and in no way is going to kill off old people or ones with disabilities.

"Socialized medicine NEVER works", well I don't think in any way Obama is talking about Socialized medicine.

YES I agree 100% both sides should have their say but the fear and yelling and just plain being rude at these town halls is nuts and NO one gets anything from that. Just valuable time and information lost.

I didn't post this to get into the health care issue really, I was just frustrated that I had a new mom of a little one with DS call me the other day that read what Palin said on Face book and was freaked out and was concerned it was true info.

It makes me sad that info that is so incorrect that she said is out there and scares some people, KWIM?

CC

[twinsplusone]

CC,
I'm glad you brought this up because I do have a question about something I heard about this health care plan. Someone told me that this plan they have on the table would only be available to "productive" citizens, and when a caller called into the news program and asked if her adult son with DS would be considered a "productive" citizen, the "news" person or "host" of the show said no, not based on the criteria that has been set out. I did not see the show, nor can I found this excerpt and I am always skeptical of something that someone else saw and told someone and that someone told me, etc. Have you heard anything like this? We don't really know each other, but from reading your posts, I am guessing you are a good person to get "the other side of the story" from.

Thank you for your time,
Teri

[Ericsmomma]

CC,
I think she was talking about the increased funding of abortions too. I know she is very pro-life. But there is truth about this present health care bill opening up the possibility of federally funded abortions. She have be thinking of this when she talked about her son, Trig. Sadly, we all know that many families choose to terminate the pregnancy when given the diagnosis of DS. For many others, if you are pregnant and want to terminate, then you should pay for it yourself. This is one time I am pro-choice. It was your choice to take the chance of getting pregnant when you aren't ready for it. And if you can't afford the abortion, then I think the doctors that provide such services should do the procedure for free. After all, its not about the money....its about the health of the mom. I know abortion is a difficult decision, but I don't want to be part of that decision. And that should be MY choice and constitutional right.
This administration has already overturned the The Mexico City Policy. We now use taxpayer money to fund overseas clinics and groups that offer abortion related services. Bush banned this use of money, but Obama re-instated it. Maybe thats why Palin is so "dramatic"...maybe calling it a "death squad" is alittle too much, but I gotta tell you, I'm scared...and I don't scare easily.

[momofrussell]

CC.. I think if we read the nuts and bolts of this bill we'd all be concerned..... I am pretty opened minded, even with politics and I have heard enough on both sides the fence to be concerned.

I hope you are right and we are all wrong.... LOL

And unless I live on Capital Hill and read the WHOLE bill myself, I don't think I'd have the guts to say Palin doesn't know what she is talking about

A.

[CC]

LOL A~ well I do have the guts

What I quoted that Palin said has been talked about lots in the last few days and proven she is WRONG on what she said. I am only talking about what she has been quoted on saying and I am telling you A. there is NO Death Panel in this bill.


I never said one shouldn't be concerned about the heath care they are proposing, I just was taking about the lie Palin stated.

I am not hear to say yea or no about the health insurance program bill, I personally have a GREAT Insurance program and plan on keeping it

Dolly ~ I feel for you girl and sorry you are scared, please don't be scared

As for what Palin might have meant ... Well I can't guess what she might have meant, I can only go on what she said, KWIM

Terri ~

you asked "I heard about this health care plan. Someone told me that this plan they have on the table would only be available to "productive" citizens, and when a caller called into the news program and asked if her adult son with DS would be considered a "productive" citizen, the "news" person or "host" of the show said no"

Just wondering was the news show that a caller called in to and asked that question by any chance Fox ?

I personally don't believe what you heard to be true, as one of and just speaking about one of the points is for ALL to have coverage. Ones that are unemployed, lost their job, have pre existing conditions and such.

Our kids with DS and others with disability already have insurance through the government, They all qualify for Medicaid (sp?) some younger and some older but they all do qualify.

My son will not qualify till he is 18 but at 18 he will qualify for Medicaid/Medicare ( I always get confused on which one it is, since we don't use it yet) and I can also keep him on our own private policy.

All I am trying to say here is that what Palin said was wrong, pretty simple. I was not and am not talking about the whole bill.

CC

[Ericsmomma]

CC,
I agree with you on alot of what you are saying...I think Sarah used the wrong words...too open for interpretation. But I think she says what alot of people are thinking. When you can't explain what the Bill is about and you want to rush its passing without checks and balances, well it makes the public a bit leary. Thats what causes all the upset. I think Obama is on the right track with needed reform, but I don't like all the hidden agendas that will be included along with the reform. Hopefully, both sides can come together and get some work done. They owe it to the American people.......CC, I love ya girl!

[momofrussell]

Who has proven she is wrong?

See, I guess my point is there are two sides and for every "proven wrong" there will be those who can "prove right"... so even if her words were dramatic, there will always be two sides. And since part of the bill says things to the nature that medical care will be subjected to need/want/age or whatever the criteria is, that is where her dramatic words came from.

So, unless all these people that say the bill holds "criteria" in the verbiage are wrong, that is cause for concern and where she probably spat those words from. And if there truly is "criteria" listed that effects treatment for say someone like my son, I don't think I want much to do with it Guess only time will tell.....

And yes, CC, we ALL know you have the guts ;D