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Math
Oct 2, 2007 8:49:15 GMT -5
Post by Connie on Oct 2, 2007 8:49:15 GMT -5
Here's my question....
Our school system is really into SAXON math (which I hate). Saxon is all about how fast you can spit the information you know out...A lot of Timed tests. Collin is coming along but I know is have trouble grasping th 1+1= 2 but, I think he could get it if he used a calculator. Do most kids here do regular math? Do any of them use a calculator? If, they do when did they start? I'm I selling Collin short by wanting to start him using a calculator at 7? What do you all think? Connie
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Math
Oct 2, 2007 8:59:37 GMT -5
Post by Emilysmom on Oct 2, 2007 8:59:37 GMT -5
Connie, Emily's school was big on Saxon Math too. She started out in kindy with regular math and also used "Touch Math". She did really well with that.........sort of helped her to see 5 THINGS(the little dots on the numbers) plus 2 THINGS equals 7 things. Not quite as abstract. I think using an abaccus would do the same thing. She did well with this concept till around 3rd grade. At that time, I went to a seminar where the speaker was very much in favor of calculator use. From that point on, Em has used a calculator. She does all kinds of problems successfully that way. One thing I wanted was for her to have mixed problems on each page (multiplication, addition, subtraction, etc) so we could make sure she would know which buttons to use to get the right answer. She has totally mastered that now, BUT she still struggles with word problems. You know, where you have to decide how to set the problem up from start to finish.....that is tooo hard for her at this point. She carries a calculator in her purse, has one in her desk at school, etc. I'm assuming she'll always need one.
Susan
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Math
Oct 2, 2007 9:05:47 GMT -5
Post by Connie on Oct 2, 2007 9:05:47 GMT -5
Susan, Collin is 7 and repeating Kindergarten...do you think I'm selling him short by wanting to have him start using a calculator? Connie
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Math
Oct 2, 2007 10:27:55 GMT -5
Post by Pat on Oct 2, 2007 10:27:55 GMT -5
Connie, I can't answer you about the caculator, but I use www.mathusee.com with John-John. (I homeschool) The inventor of MUS has 4 sons, 1 with DS. I didn't let the girls use the caculator until 6th grade math, but that's apples to oranges. I want to try John-John without one for right now. We'll see how it goes. Pat
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Math
Oct 2, 2007 13:01:45 GMT -5
Post by Emilysmom on Oct 2, 2007 13:01:45 GMT -5
Connie, Em did the same thing..........repeated kindy and was 8 when she began first grade. I think I would try other methods first and use the calculator to check the answers first. I'd do anything I could to help him understand the whole concept of 3+3WHAT.....KWIM? It's such an abstract idea and I think that really messes with our kids minds! You can make it fun.......use toys or puzzle pieces or grapes (fun to do subtraction with food after you eat one or two and subtract to see how many are left, etc). I really do think I'd let him learn as much as he can before moving on to the calculator. (But that's just our experience!)
Susan
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Math
Oct 2, 2007 15:18:32 GMT -5
Post by Chris too on Oct 2, 2007 15:18:32 GMT -5
Math is very concrete at the arithmatic level. You can see it in action when you use manipulatives. I'm with Pat. Math U See is perfect. Connie, if you really want to help Collin with his math skills, and not just get him through kindergarten, then get something like (or exactly, cause it's not expensive) Math U See. You would love it - the teacher kit comes with a DVD that teaches YOU how to teach HIM (5 minute lessons, nbd)
Chris too
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Math
Oct 3, 2007 21:45:15 GMT -5
Post by momofrussell on Oct 3, 2007 21:45:15 GMT -5
I do know a couple kids who use a calculator... part of their IEP too, I do believe. I think they might be a year or two older/farther along then Collin but they do use them.
I hear WONDERFUL things about Touch Math... and I know nothing about Math U See but it sounds good! I'd suggest to your school to use a different "tested" program with Collin. They can't just use ONE program and you either sink or swim. You can use any tested and proven system for math, reading, ect...for your child.
A.
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Math
Oct 3, 2007 22:02:33 GMT -5
Post by lespring on Oct 3, 2007 22:02:33 GMT -5
Angela has been using a calculator since 2nd grade. Once we knew she understood the CONCEPT of addition and subtraction, then we let her move onto a calculator. She does to problems with sums up to 10 without, but it depends upon the purpose of the lesson. Most of the time she uses a calculator.
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Math
Oct 10, 2007 20:16:46 GMT -5
Post by CC on Oct 10, 2007 20:16:46 GMT -5
Chris is 14 and does Math both with a calculator and non calculator depending on the math he is doing.
Honestly its been a while but I do think he started using the calculator at age 8 or 9.
CC ~
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Math
Nov 28, 2007 23:34:36 GMT -5
Post by meghans_mom on Nov 28, 2007 23:34:36 GMT -5
yikes...i wish i had read this last week lol!! i just bought MM a handful of math-learning tools for Christmas...her 1st grade class seems to just blow thru this stuff. Connie - thanks for the MathUSee link...i just ordered the sample DVD thing and am going to look into it. Meghan gets parts of addtn/subt but has to use manipulatives (although, so do i...lol)
thankfully DH is pretty handy in math...because that was always my least fave, its amazing that i got thru pharmacy school ;-)
laurie
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Math
Dec 8, 2007 18:15:28 GMT -5
Post by rickismom on Dec 8, 2007 18:15:28 GMT -5
Please look into NUMICON! While Ricki is only doing so-so in math (is now finishing addition/subtracttion to ten, ) I feel that this is because I have worked very little with her in math (relative to reading), and until this year never got too much at school either. What I do know is this: -NUMICON is colorfull and FUN. Ricki loves it -Is is sturdy -New studies coming out now showw suceess with its use in children with DS. It capitilizes on visual memory - It promotes a VISUAL image that the child can use for eventual Mentally done math. Ricki now usually THINKS of the shapes, and doesn't need them. She has learned a mental image. Drawbacjk: has to be ordered from England Recomended purchase-- single-user foundation kit for info see: www.numicon.com/pages/productspecialneeds.aspxbut I am not sure they send out of England one can get through Down's ed: +44 (0)23 9285 5330 to order shop.downsed.org/entry.aspx?id=300100000216order by phone, and ask them to fiqure actual postage costs, as they charge a lot. They will get back to you in 24 hours with an estimate is definately worth in and can be upgraded later to higher level work
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Math
Dec 12, 2007 19:31:03 GMT -5
Post by Jodi on Dec 12, 2007 19:31:03 GMT -5
Connie,
We got NUMICON but didn't get enough support at school for follow through.
Ryan started TOUCH MATH in September and went from adding 0's 1's and 2's to any sum up to 10 to adding three numbers at a time (3+5+9=) up to 30 and beyond. He has soared using touch math!! The teacher is really great about teaching methods and consistency using music and fun activities to drive home the concept.
Ryan knows how to use a calculator, and I suppose down the road he will use it more and more. But for now I do support the touch math program. He will start subtraction soon so we shall see how that goes!
Jodi
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Dec 18, 2007 11:21:32 GMT -5
Post by Connie on Dec 18, 2007 11:21:32 GMT -5
Ok.... Does anyone know if you can buy NUMICON in the US? Or is this just a UK thing? Connie
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Math
Jan 18, 2008 23:56:08 GMT -5
Post by victoriasdad on Jan 18, 2008 23:56:08 GMT -5
there are three kinds of people
those that can do math
and those that cant
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Math
Jan 20, 2008 22:53:16 GMT -5
Post by Chris too on Jan 20, 2008 22:53:16 GMT -5
ROFL!
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