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Post by sandi on Sept 4, 2008 12:44:13 GMT -5
Everyone has said everything ,,, and very well said it is......... Its up to every doctor out there, to change peoples views about aborting their disabled children they are carrying. It has to start with them. Moms should be told these kids are just like everyone else, but they will learn a bit slower, etc......... you guys know how it is..... It started way back then,, so many years ago, where moms were told their kids are basically nothing, and to put them in a home, or to abort them. and its carried on down to now really. That needs to stop. There should be no such thing as abortion anyway.. my opinion.
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Post by Alice on Sept 4, 2008 18:24:23 GMT -5
I do not know about you, but I am trilled for her. What a remarkable woman!
I want her to be our next VP and as she said to have a friend and advocate in White House for my son!
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Post by bobsmom on Sept 4, 2008 22:47:36 GMT -5
I was also thrilled with McCain's choice. I heard about Palin when she gave birth to Trig too. I only noticed it because I think she was the second governor to give birth while in office. When I heard her baby had a disability, I was unnerved. What a very challenging personal time in her life and yet to still get up every morning and be governor. Yikes. I am hopeful that she keeps her promise that special needs families will have a friend in the White House (and I heard tonight that Cindy McCain has a masters in special ed?)
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Post by elizabethsmom on Sept 5, 2008 6:45:09 GMT -5
It was said during the video into for Cindy McCain that she does indeed have a Masters in Spec Ed. What a potentially great combo! Sheryl
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Post by Googsmom aka Jennifer on Sept 5, 2008 10:20:47 GMT -5
Last night out of the 72 channels I have, 24 of them were doing some sort of "interview" w/ these two. I did watch OPB {Oregon public broadcasting} for a few minutes. She does seem like a nice woman. Down to Earth and smart. She sure did change alot of things in Alaska to help the economy.
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Post by Kaylis on Sept 5, 2008 18:52:00 GMT -5
I just found out that Palin showed some serious selfishness while she was pregnant with Trig. Her water broke while in Texas about to give a speech. She then gave the speech, took a ten hour airplane trip home (two planes) and then drove about two hours to her local hospital. All this for a fifth pregnancy that she KNEW might involve complications for the baby. Maybe her religious beliefs led her to believe that God was taking care of the baby so she didn't have to. If so, what does this mean for any therapies that would help Trig reach his potential?
Kaylis
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Post by momofrussell on Sept 5, 2008 18:53:47 GMT -5
Kaylis... I am not trying to start a debate but I am curious...
What does her water breaking and deciding to do a speech before having a baby have to do with therapies for Trig?
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Post by Emilysmom on Sept 5, 2008 20:44:57 GMT -5
I think the question was IF Sarah Palin's beliefs are that God will take care of Trigg (because she felt confident that she could get to the hospital in time), then maybe she would also feel that Trigg wouldn't need therapy and she could just let God take care of him? Maybe what she was showing was extreme faith? Obviously, I only know this family from the TV appearances over the past few days, but I don't doubt that Trigg will get whatever it is that he needs. That might involve all the therapy he can possibly get. It might also involve inclusion and love from his family, along with activities that will be extremely beneficial too. There are many parents who have decided not to pursue therapies for their children, and those children are doing great! This is a hard topic for me, because my daughter had LOTS of therapy from the age of six weeks...........and at age 17, still gets PT/OT/ST. And I see and read about other teens her age, who had much less therapy, and who are so much farther along than she is. (Mostly in terms of articulation and overall understanding). Sorry for the long reply, and it might not have even been the answer to A's question, but those are my thoughts about this now "famous" baby with Down syndrome.
Susan
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Post by elizabethsmom on Sept 5, 2008 22:50:30 GMT -5
My understanding is that her water broke, but she was not in active labor. As a labor and delivery RN, I wouldn't say tell her to do this, however, I can't say (without much more information) that she was putting the baby in any danger at all. I know grand multips (people on their 8th, 9th, etc baby whose water has broke and they've gone up to 24 hrs without delivering. And who knows, maybe she was in contact with her OB and could devert to the nearest airport if active labor started.... I don't know, but I know there are many, many factors in delivering a baby, even one with DS. Sheryl
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Post by CC on Sept 6, 2008 1:51:05 GMT -5
"that Palin showed some serious selfishness while she was pregnant with Trig. Her water broke while in Texas about to give a speech. She then gave the speech, took a ten hour airplane trip home (two planes) and then drove about two hours to her local hospital. All this for a fifth pregnancy" Hmmm do you know that to be a fact for sure?? If so I am sad that she would take such a risk especially knowing prior to the birth the baby had DS CC ~ whom was told by her OBGYN not to drive far from home with both kids close to the due date. Actually I was told not to drive at all at the very very close date even though I admit I did. I drove to work every day right up to delivery BUT I have to add my work was actually closer to the hospital then my home at the time. CC ~
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Post by laurasnowbird on Sept 6, 2008 8:16:13 GMT -5
We weren't there when her water broke, so we're playing armchair quarterback if we question her actions. But here's a few thoughts....
Maybe she had a doctor right there!
Maybe the doctor examined her and said "Wow, you're barely effaced, and not dilated at all, it's going to be a while before this one makes its appearance!
Maybe her ultrasounds showed that Trig didn't have any major physical issues to be concerned about!
Maybe, when you get around to having your FIFTH kid, you know your body well enough to know the main event's not going to happen for hours! (By the time I got to my fourth child, they had to drag me to the hospital, cuz I didn't want to go until I absolutely HAD to, LOL!)
Anyway, at this point, we're way out in the land of conjecture. Did she SAY at some point that she didn't intend to do therapies, or are we just extrapolating based on her actions during labor?
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Post by kellyds on Sept 6, 2008 13:19:32 GMT -5
By the time you've had several children, you know your body well. I think it's presumptious of anyone to question her decision. I've done things during all of my pregnancies (especially the last few) that I might have been reluctant do with with the first two or three, and would have been very angry if anyone had suggested that I was being "selfish". As for therapy . . . Joshie has had no formal therapy yet and has not taken part in Early Intervention. He has had just the things I've done with him. At 3 1/2, he uses more words and signs than I've taken time to count, walks and just started running, reads four words, climbs anything in his way . . . and I could go on. It doesn't necessarily take an army of professionals to raise a child with Down syndrome. I, personally, try to make sure people know that. I think the idea of having a child with Down syndrome might seem less scary if they didn't think their lives were going to be one endless round of therapies.
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Post by Ericsmomma on Sept 6, 2008 15:00:55 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more about "therapy"...don't get me wrong, early intervention is great, but sometimes you get so caught up in doing/analysing/comparing, that you forget you have a BABY! So much running to appointments, etc. If I had it to do over, I'd forgo alot of that stuff, especially the first 2 years, and just enjoy my child. Thats just my humble opinion...
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Post by Kaylis on Sept 6, 2008 16:24:44 GMT -5
I was mostly concerned about Palin's decision to fly (which major airlines do not allow very close to delivery) for ten hours to get home, rather than her decision to give her speech. With the pressure changes, and lack of emergency services in case of a problem this seemed like a poor decision for both their healths. Yes, she may have been told that there was little risk of complications for Trigg, but I know my son's cardiologist (who did an echocardiogram in utero) said that the prenatal echo couldn't rule out heart problems, only the most serious ones. That's in addition to other possible complications of Ds.
As for the issue of therapies, I do realize some people choose to work with their children alone while others chose to use professional therapists. Then there are those who don't have a choice. This is certainly a personal choice. Whether a given child would do better with or without is difficult to evaluate since each one is so different in difficulties and strengths. The question I have is if Palin believes that God will take care of any problems is she and her husband going to put in the time and effort to work with Trigg extensively with or without outside therapists.
Then again I can't imagine being a parent, father or mother, of someone that young and taking on such a huge job.
Kaylis
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Post by kellyds on Sept 6, 2008 16:55:45 GMT -5
Then there are those who don't have a choice. This is certainly a personal choice. Yes, it is. What bothers me is that most people seem to think therapy is unavoidable for all children with Down syndrome. They don't realize there are many choices (and many differing degrees of "need" among the kids). The question I have is if Palin believes that God will take care of any problems is she and her husband going to put in the time and effort to work with Trigg extensively with or without outside therapists. I definitely trust God with my life. Most people who trust God realize that He expects us to do our part. For instance, I home school our children. I trust God to send the appropriate resources my way. I don't just sit back and figure He'll do the educating without my lifting a finger. Then again I can't imagine being a parent, father or mother, of someone that young and taking on such a huge job. I can't imagine ME being able to do that, either. I quit my outside job and started working from home several children ago. People have varying degress of ability and family support, though. I'm very conservative, but I believe who works and who takes care of the kids is a decision best made by those kids' parents.
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